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    Wrathjian
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    Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Wrathjian on Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:30 am

    I would very much like to hear what anyone/everyone has to say about the suggestions that Demetra has posted in the Guild Bank, along with any of your own (suggestions) None are any more important or pertinant that anyone else's, as we are all co-owners of the Guild. Paythia has made a very astute observation, in that being pro-active in the Guild gives an *ownership* in and of the Guild, as well makes us all more observant, and yes, a little more *protective* of our common interests, please post here what you would like to see/comments on Demetra's suggestions, and/or suggestions of your own. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer--Wrath
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Sparluc on Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:05 am

    If possible, could we get break down of what access the various levels currently have?
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Payten on Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:09 am

    Just to add to Spar's comment, it might also be good to discuss expectations regarding deposits/withdrawals, especially since we have multiple new members.
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Thaeren on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:32 pm

    As you may imagine, I am of the same opinion as Demetra. I think it would be a good thing to have a tab where people can put in mats needed for professions, like leather, herbs, cloth, etc. By the time we had that, I found it pretty handy. In case someone did not yet read Demetra's suggestions, here is a summary of it:

    Tab 1. Diverse reagents (usually white or green items used to craft stuff)

    Tab 2. Armor (All parts of armor you can find. Items must be at least green)

    Tab 3. Weapons & Shields (Same rules as the armor tab)

    Tab 4. Professions (All receipts and higher value items for specific professions)

    Tab 5. Luxurious, rare or expensive items (Various items with a great value at the AH)

    For the access level I am thinking about a guild grade access.

    Rank 1: Brand new member, have 1 or 2 items on the tab 1, 2, 3 & 4

    Rank 2: Alt character of an official guild member, have 3 or 4 items on the tab 1, 2, 3 & 4

    Rank 3: Official guild member (player in the guild since a long time, everybody can trust him and he won't do massive withdrawals in the guild bank) have 7 or 8 items on the tab 1, 2, 3 & 4 and 1 on the tab 5.

    Rank 4: Unlimited access everywhere (unlimited access everywhere)

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    Post  Wrathjian on Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:29 am

    are very good. I started the access/levels with the understanding that would be change-able, and certainly not written in stone. Now that we all have had a chance to see one way that it has sort of worked till now, I agree that there are changes needed--more lax in some cases--and certainly more rigid in others. The first thing that I would like to ask is if we have "enough" levels for members? I do not want to complicate matters, however it is much easier, and frankly more possible to manipulate the membership standings than it is to make the bank more flexible. Unfortunately that is the way that Blizzard has set it up. We can't break down the tabs, however we can "compartmentalize" it from being used by certain levels of players. That is sort of the way I have set it up, until now, so that the level of the player, co-incides with the level of the items in the GB tab that they have had access to, however, with the added caveat of "Trust". If I understand correctly this is the way that we want it?--I have been rather disappointed that some of the members that have had higher access than I thought they should have had, faster than they should, have seen fit to take items much much higher than their level suggests they can possibly use, and in a couple of cases, where a player has taken an item or two that they could not possible use, for instance Plate Armor being taken by a Druid, as an example.If the idea of more player levels has merit, can I get some agreement before I start to change thingsÉ--Thanks for all your in-put--Wrath
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Thaeren on Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:42 pm

    By more player levels, do you mean like more Ranks? Such that we can have a more developed access strategy to the GB? If so I'd say this is a good idea. I think Demetra's rank suggestions is a rough guideline, but there's of course no limit to adding more ranks in order to be more restrictive for certain players, or giving more freedom to other players. What kind of ranks are you thinking about Wrath?

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    Post  Wrathjian on Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:38 pm

    You pretty much explained it Thaeren, more player *ranks*--would allow us to put that *particular* player in a more trustworthy spot, but still have some restrictions--well said--*Thoughts*?
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Sparluc on Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:35 am

    Personally, I like the idea of creating a rank for member alts. The alts having slightly lower access than the mains is also a good idea.

    Another idea that I think could help is an actual list of rules stating a few of the things we won't necessarily be able to prevent through access. For example, I don't think someone should take an item they can't use, such as a rogue taking plate, or items that are too far above them, such as a level 20 character taking a weapon that has a requirement of level 40. This is just robbing from members who could actually use it.

    These haven't really been issues yet, but as we continue to grow they will no doubt come up. If it were to happen at the moment, someone could honestly claim they just didn't know. Written rules might help this.

    I also think it might be a good idea to put a particular person in charge of the bank. It should be an active player who generally has the guild's best interest at heart. This would be the person who cleans it out when it's too full, handling auctions to build the gold reserves, or just handing out extra stuff as he sees fit.

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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Wrathjian on Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:12 pm

    We are *Hamstrung* by WOW as to the amount of information that we can actually put on the Guild Bank Information Tab. There is some there now, for those of us that have not yet read it, please do so--the info tab is specific to each tab. Also--I am not ure that peeps know about it, as if it had been read so far, a couple of issues would never have come up. Spar, I especially like the idea of 1 (one) person with responsibility for the upkeep and maintenance of the bank--as our *Banker* a rank could be made just for that position and all the access that person would need. I like it, I would love to have someone do it. Spar--up till now, you have done a fine job, but I know that R/L and it's attendant responsibilities take priority (as they should) so if you have a *replacement* in mind --let us know--or we can hold an election or something???--The question of Alts has come up--and I think--that now that our *hard-core* players (who me?;o)?)know all the ins-and outs--it would be a very good idea to make a further rank---or, to fill a rank that already exists. You have addressed a valid point, Spar--the reason why I have put,--in the majority of cases, a persons Armor type, as well as their professions and affiliates (where applicable)was to 1) show other players, when they are in a group, WHO in the Guild MAY need those *Buffoons Pauldrons of Superior Might* Mail--level 43, that you just picked up---AS WELL 2) it shows the officers who MAY be trying to *Ninja* the bank. Call it foresight, call it luck--no matter, that is what the legend is behind a players name on the Guild Roster. One thing I am going to stress in any communication, and it is mostly for MYSELF as well as the Guild NOT to lose sight of --is *It is just a Game* for goodness sakes!--Have fun--Kill lots!
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    Re: Demetra has made some suggestions regarding usage/access

    Post  Sparluc on Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:06 pm

    I'm not mean enough to nominate anybody to the position of banker. Smile

    I have no idea who would be interested in doing it. If anybody is interested, they can go ahead and post in this chat. I for one would rather see it be one of our active, long term members. (Basically the folks who have already joined this forum.)

    As for any rules, I think a comprehensive list should be made and stickied on this forum. We could place it in general guild information forum (which may already exist; I do not remember.) As you said, there just isn't enough room on the tabs.

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